[Fg-general] Minutes: General Meeting March 11th 2008
Ryan M. Golbeck
gowlin-lists at gowlin.org
Thu Mar 20 10:53:14 PDT 2008
Apologies for the delay.
Will post it on the wiki later. I'm having trouble contacting the
server right now.
* Attendance
Facilitator: Adam
Mark
Len
Ryan Y
Scribe: Ryan G
Ifny
Sean
Bernie
Matt
Minutes Checker: Richard
Regulator: Kim
Ashley
Sim
Pete
Chani
* Agenda
** old biz
AGM
** new biz
ubuntu sig
asterisk (phone in general: price information)
hr recomendation -- collectivizing
first aid
financial report
directors insurance
ebay
massive budget
adoption class
project proposal
wiki
* Concensus briefing: Ifny
* OLD BUSINESS
** AGM:
new board members
increase board size from 3 to 7
increase size of the membership from 5 to 11 (new directors)
** mobo branding: etching
provided cases for tests
no word back yet on progress
** free the net letter
accept draft
letter not provided to FG until day before due date
letter sent to Free The Net, not recieved til late, not included in their package due to miscommunication
** esabc manufacturers
ESACB handles provincial programs for recycling (receive fees from computer sales)
FG meeting with ESABC to add reuse elements to provincial recycling program.
we'd have to send all our stuff to provincal vendors? lose circuit board fees
negotiation includes opportunity for us to become collection depot, get fees similar to salvation army this would minimize loss of revenue from recyclabes
trying to impress upon them we have good community relations
Negotiations continue
* NEW BUSINESS
** Presentation: Ubuntu Vancouver: Kim
Canada Ubuntu mailing list: no vancouver group
Big turnout at first one meeting (off of a vanlug meeting)
Common topic: freegeek
Good synergy between two groups, hardware group, software group
benefit by working closely
looking for a purpose for uvancouver
maybe a windowless wednesday once a month could be a combined WW + Ubuntu Vancouver
Suggestion: fix ubuntu hibernation
Suggestion: membership talk about whether uvan can use our space for meetings
Suggestion: forward or send ubuntu people back and forth
Suggestion: Could fit in with the way our workgroups split off, or have ubuntu workshops.
Ubuntu introduction was well attended (not tied in with WW)
Offload some of our stuff onto uvan (someone from that group could handle our software stuff)
good synergy, but we should not just offload training and software unto external group
who will lock the door if we provide space?
Where to go from here?
- start having meetings and see where people who show up want to go
Suggest discussion move onto education mailing list
Approval for last thursday of march 27th meeting
ubuntuvancouver at uac.ca?
** Presentation: Photo documentary assignment: Matt
full time student focal point - diploma program in photography
wants to document what we are doing in the community as volunteers over a few weeks
focus on volunteers and volunteer work @ FG
50-60 good images for a slide show
offer us the images for use / promotion
assignment for school work
not for personal use: he retains copyright but we have full use
needs release forms for each volunteers in photos for freegeek promotional use
wants to know if we manipulate images (besides resizing images)
images would not be permitted to be used outside of context
discussion ensued about potential for copyleft measures for images, consider releasing images under CC license
Use of images is for assignment only. Not for portfolio or
advertising etc. But legally, he can use whatever he wants without
contract.
Commit: Matt will submit written proposal to mailing lists including waver forms and copyright wishes.
Concensus to move forward after proposal submitted.
** Mark: Asterisk update and phone
did we decide to get a second line? decided to hold off and see about asterisk
second phone line pricing: telus extra 41.11 ($115 for installation),
voip trunk net voice (we can get a DID (phone number)): 4.95 mo + 0.01 per minute
unmeasured line 29.95 per month + 15% discount (non for profit)
part of the same connection as montreal, toronto, etc. cheap calls back east
Asterisk moving along quite well
Different types of connections work well
Moving on to logic part: how to route incoming calls, voice mail, etc
Have voicemail + transfers within a week
Is there any emergency issues? Yes, if we go entirely voip.
Depends on power, and Internet. Would lose 911.
Reliability Issues: get dedicated trunk; we get a phoneline
Do we know what our requirements are? We definitly need 2 lines
We don't require a contract for VOIP: discount, no installation costs
Sim: Can we get a written proposal for the mailing list?
Is the static gone? yes
Serious needs and budgeting considerations: extra costs need to be very clear
require budgetary needs
Commit: Mark to post full proposal to mailing list. Discussion to ensue in finance group.
** Shop requirement for First Aid training: Sim
legislated requirement to have first aid person with first aid level 1
one day course, valid for 2 years
requirement by work site BC: under workers compensation act
Proposal: send all paid employees to first aid
costs slightly less than $100 per person
also pay our people at the hourly rate for training
one day 8 hour course
occupational first aid: paper work around injuries, etc
Discussion:
Can a trainer come to the site, is it more cost effective?
Possibility, but not for just 3 people would probably cost more.
this training should be a part of job descriptions
rough overall expense 600-700 for four employees
Vetted by budget: Can budget go over this to make sure
certification documentation should be added to the wiki
HR spreadsheet should be set up for awareness and records of training and skills
Commit: proposal to be vetted by finance. staff should attend sessions on a rotating basis (one person per month or every couple months).
** Directors Insurance Report: Ifny
Discussion:
Close to being in place. waiting on meeting with insurance company.
they know our intentions. They want resumes of our directors (or
just a brief description). We'll use the introduction from the
AGM. Also need to submit the report of the AGM to Victoria. 2
weeks from time of paper work. Waiting on estimate. Cooperators
insurance broker.
** ebay: Ifny
Proposal:
set up FG Vancouver ebay store for light and mobile items: processors, etc. Small high volume items.
Discussion:
adds another revenue stream
Paypal takes 2%
Ebay takes a flat fee for ad placement (25 cents) + percentage of sale price
Does anyone forsee a problem selling on ebay?
Commit: to establish FG ebay store. David will coordinate collective volunteer effort. Store must include link to our site. Consensus.
** Geek Box Adoption Class: Ifny
Adoption classes available for volunteers who have completed 24 hours. This
is the class on how to use their built computer. A lot of these people are beginners.
Main way to get a free computer here. Trying to get classes going
regularly. Need to put together a list of syllabus.
Portland has adoption class (getting started), one hour all you
need to know to setup your computer and basic use (this is the
required course). Other more advanced classes.
Discussion:
Could this be offloaded with uvancouver? No, this is a freegeek issue,
our volunteers and process. Don't want to offload onto 3rd party.
How often does class run? In the past individually as people
graduate. more people graduating, so running more classe. Maybe
one per week. Maybe split syllabus between multiple clasess so
there is no information overload.
Problem that some volunteers can only come in on weekends and
saturdays are very busy.
Commit: Interested teachers join education mailing list. Need help with takehome documentation. Discussion of adoption class logistics will continue on mailing list.
** Wiki: Sim
For Information:
Hosting wiki on shop computer is wrong and illegal violation of
contract with Telus. Terms of service forbid this service. Sim
move wiki to webserver that is running our drupal. URL scheme
changed: bookmarks broken. User accounts are gone.
wiki.freegeekvancouver.org
shop wiki still up. Add a redirect.
All users must recreate accounts.
** Financial Report: Sean
didn't meet our store budget projections: 1100 short
smash recycling budget projections: 1500-1600 over
total feb profit 1800.
running profit 3600 end of february
major march expenses: rent, first salary
total assets,
5800 liabilities
owe David for line of credit
includes taxes
total equity 8800
profitable in traditionally non profitable months
January 3800 for scrap
February sold just under 6000 in scrap (copper wire, steel, etc)
Proposal: payment in full of David's line of credit for free geek.
Discussion: Stop incurring interest on this loan. We have the money. David has indicated
that we would be amenable to reloaning this line of credit if we
needed it. We are paying variable interest rate (7.25). Compound
interest monthly on the cycle days. We're in a growth area. David
is only liability besides tax liability. Hard to project future
growth and expense. Concern of not having access to emergency
funds for paying salaries. Would like to see a backup if Davids
concerns change and the line of credit isn't available anymore. No
terms of loan with David: more of a libability than just the money
=> good to get off the books.
Commit: Sean transfer money to David by end of the week after more detailed interest calculation and logistics decided between Sean and David.
Sean will post an update that it has been completed. Passes.
Proposal: Monthy financial reports should be made available on wiki.
Discussion: Membership has expressed desire for regular financial reports on several occations.
Numbers we don't want public include prices we pay for aluminum, etc. or our payments. Our recyclers deserve
We don't want to screw our sources if they are giving us a better
deal. No real reason for this to be transparent. How do we report
recycling numbers? Just give our recyling revenue and not include
tonnage. People can find out these details by becoming more
involved instead of casual observer. Just produce basic balance
sheet. General broken down expenses. Produce baseline and go from
there.
Commit: Sean will post general numbers monthly to wiki. More detailed information is open and available to interested people.
** Massive Technology Trade Show
massive tech trade show to convention centre. good for us in the
beginning.
getting prominent booth this year, close to entrance and media
tent.
Proposal: Is it okay if we have a budget for Massive? Last year
was a little over $500 including booth price ($180). Shoot for
something similar this year ($635). Print fliers $20, have new
photos of our space. Buttons $80 for 200 local artist; Charge $1
for buttons. May have truck expenses (apple blossom trees?).
Embark on trial for freegeek tshirts ($200 budget); sell for $15:
hemptown.com.
We already budgeted $400 for this at the beginning of the year.
Break buttons and fliers out into advertising budget?
Stickers popular at swap meet
Proposal increase budget by $100: leave to revenue to decide.
No objections.
** HR Recomendation
Interim HR group struck to review structure, current challenges and opportunity.
Interviewed current volunteers and people at FG.
Overall structure deemed acceptable, some duties were formalized, shifted between roles.
Full report available on wiki.
Originally budgeted for 3 staff (roughly $1500 / person / month => 4 ppl $6000 / month).
Upon review became obvious that 4 people are required. Three are unable to keep up with what's needed: blocks a lot of areas.
Current income doesn't support 4 staff. We need another 1000 /mo in revenue to pay for 4th person.
Proposed positions:
Recycling Coordinator: generally shipping receiving decide what's reusable
Reuse Coordinator: take care of reusable pieces; network admin devel
Revenue and Finance: deal with income and payment
Communications Person: tie roles together and manage
outreach, etc; volunteer coordinator
1st 3 done by people pretty much already here. Ryan (reuse), David
(rev, finance), Ifny (comm).
Discussion:
Generally expected that we could deal with these numbers from new
revenue streams. Revenue person can find new revenue areas to pursue and maximize.
Revenue has gone up since Sim has been volunteering in the
warehouse; store looks better; helps a lot. David does well at meeting targets, met january but not february.
but a lot of volunteer difficulty, and worst retail month.
Pattern has been growth, continually; have pretty much always been
in the black.
Risk of not hiring 4th employee by burning out current employees.
What are other fg staffing models: Portland: 3 people formed staff
collective and did first hires and join collective on probationary
basis. Collective decides who gets hired. Had to approach
directors for money with budget etc. Now staff has HR create new
job description, run by council, and HR does hiring. Ultimate say
of hire is the staff collective because they have to work with the
people.
Contingency options available:
Staff collective can take measures to reduce wages or take unpaid
vacations to reduce wages if necessary. Try a 3 month review and
see how it goes.
what if money dries up or we're short? Try a 3 month review to
come back to this.
Convene contingency meeting within 3 months for this test. Risk
taken by peolpe who are hired.
Ryan enthusiastic about plan and thanks HR group for proposal.
Thinks risk of not having 4 people is much greater. This should be
adopted.
Concern: too much focus on generating revenue to make this happen rather than
core FG tasks and mission? HR Group address this specifically in document. Identify revenue
as a support role. Identifies staff roles that are dedicated to
our mission. Revenue is important for us to meet our mission
statement.
Proposal: to accept the draft proposal with a review meeting after
3 months. PASSED
Recomendation: develop effective HR policy; how we hire, fire,
grievancy and employee evaluations; define role of employee relative
to other roles; define exactly what it means to be an employee within
a particular sphere of influence (eg. running as a concensus and
incorporating views of others)
Recomendation: create another HR interim group to develop this new
structure
** Collectivizing
Portland has the staff collective. Full time staff post and decide hires.
Staff collective means that staff have final say on whether someone
gets hired or not. Defines staff as political body. Group of
people who are responsible for operations as a whole.
Collective can take recomendations for 4th position and accept.
General membership doing hire is hard. Having directors doing
hiring set bad precedent. HR doing hiring not good (should be done
with staff).
Staff perogative to collectivise. HR group in conjunction with staff will determine role of collecitve in hiring process.
Staff articulate role and define collective, decide and bring to list.
3 people solid candidates for jobs. Suggest that its a foregone conclusion
who 3 of the 4 positions will be.
Propose: credit these positions by acclimation so we don't leave
people hanging. Forming a staff collective of the first hires.
Introductions to the staff collective on probationary basis,
including first 3. Done in conjunction with HR group.
Commit: Hire Ifny, Ryan and David: PASSED
Commit: Interim HR group to meet and establish hiring process. New/different members welcome. Draft policy complete and sent to lists March 18, 2008.
Contingency General Meeting and vote on March 20, 2008. Concensus achieved.
Commit: Post job ad after draft hiring policy established. Task not Assigned***
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